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Post by Culture of Life on May 11, 2020 18:10:19 GMT -5
So, unless if anyone wants to add anything further, shall I move the motion to a vote? Not yet. There are other parts of the Constitution that might need to be amended to account for the change in the legislature. Later, I'll try to find time to read the Constitution from beginning to end. Others might wish to do the same.
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Post by Culture of Life on May 11, 2020 18:20:10 GMT -5
Some issues I just remembered: - The poll on naming the legislature hasn't finished yet. "Congress" is winning, but we still should wait.
- Stellonia has proposed symmetric bicameralism over asymmetric bicameralism, and I'd like to poll that issue.
- We haven't discussed the issue of senatorial elections. Do we want to keep the same voting system in place?
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Post by Eire on May 12, 2020 6:28:41 GMT -5
I don't think there is any need to change the Senate voting system. We should keep it as it is.
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Post by Eire on May 17, 2020 18:09:07 GMT -5
I hereby propose we replace the following sections:
#. All bills shall originate in the Assembly. When the Assembly passes a bill, it shall send the bill to the Senate. Then, the Senate shall consider the bill and either pass or reject it. If the Senate passes the bill, it shall present the bill to the Founder for his assent. If the Senate rejects the bill, it shall return the bill to the Assembly with its objections and any amendments that it may propose.
#. A bill, having been rejected by the Senate, may be reconsidered by the Assembly. If the Senate has proposed amendments, the Assembly votes, and the Assembly agrees with the Senate's amendments, the Assembly shall adopt those amendments and present the amended bill to the Founder for his assent. If the Assembly disagrees with the Senate, it may pass the same bill again, by a simple two-thirds vote, and present the unamended bill to the Founder for his assent (as if the Senate had passed the bill).
#. If the Assembly passes a bill, sends it to the Senate, and the Senate does not pass or reject it within fourteen days, the bill shall be treated as if the Senate has passed it, and the Assembly shall present it to the Founder for his assent.
With:
Only the upper house (Senate) of Congress shall be allowed to propose bills. When the Senate proposes and passes the bill, it shall send it to the Assembly and either passes or rejects it. After both houses ratifies the bill, it shall present the bill to the Founder for his assent.
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Post by Culture of Life on May 17, 2020 18:26:47 GMT -5
I hereby propose we replace the following sections: #. All bills shall originate in the Assembly. When the Assembly passes a bill, it shall send the bill to the Senate. Then, the Senate shall consider the bill and either pass or reject it. If the Senate passes the bill, it shall present the bill to the Founder for his assent. If the Senate rejects the bill, it shall return the bill to the Assembly with its objections and any amendments that it may propose.
#. A bill, having been rejected by the Senate, may be reconsidered by the Assembly. If the Senate has proposed amendments, the Assembly votes, and the Assembly agrees with the Senate's amendments, the Assembly shall adopt those amendments and present the amended bill to the Founder for his assent. If the Assembly disagrees with the Senate, it may pass the same bill again, by a simple two-thirds vote, and present the unamended bill to the Founder for his assent (as if the Senate had passed the bill).
#. If the Assembly passes a bill, sends it to the Senate, and the Senate does not pass or reject it within fourteen days, the bill shall be treated as if the Senate has passed it, and the Assembly shall present it to the Founder for his assent.With: Only the upper house (Senate) of Congress shall be allowed to propose bills. When the Senate proposes and passes the bill, it shall send it to the Assembly and either passes or rejects it. After both houses ratifies the bill, it shall present the bill to the Founder for his assent.I like that wording. I'd change it only slightly: - All bills shall originate in the Senate. When the Senate passes a bill, it shall send the bill to the Assembly. Then, the Assembly shall consider the bill and either pass or reject it. After both houses have passed the bill, it shall be presented to the Founder for his assent.
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Post by Culture of Life on May 18, 2020 0:45:29 GMT -5
In the proposed amendment, other parts of the Constitution might need to be changed. First, "Congress" should replace "Senate" in the following sections: - Article IV, Section 5
- Article IV, Section 9
- Article V, Section 6
- Article VI, Section 4
- Article VI, Section 9
Second, the following sections require review: - Article IV, Section 14 (state of the region address)
- Article VII, Section 2 (number of senators)
- Article VIII, Section 2 (presidential term limit)
- Article IX (constitutional amendments)
- Article X (transitional provisions; consider deleting)
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Post by Eire on May 23, 2020 5:00:28 GMT -5
I think that we should get rid of term limits. Article X should also be deleted.
As for the ballot question, perhaps it could be something like this:
1st Constitutional Amendment Referendum
Should Right to Life establish a Congress, with a Citizens Assembly acting as a lower house, and a Senate acting as a upper house?
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Post by Culture of Life on May 23, 2020 21:48:27 GMT -5
I think that we should get rid of term limits. Article X should also be deleted. As for the ballot question, perhaps it could be something like this: 1st Constitutional Amendment ReferendumShould Right to Life establish a Congress, with a Citizens Assembly acting as a lower house, and a Senate acting as a upper house?That wording seems good. That leaves two other issues: - Should the number of senators be fixed by the Constitution, or should it vary with the population?
- Should the Citizens' Assembly be included in the constitutional amendment process?
Right now, the Senate proposes a constitutional amendment, and there's a referendum at the next regional election.
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Post by Eire on May 24, 2020 8:01:03 GMT -5
Maybe right now the number of Senators should remain at three, seeing how there is not many willing to stand, with only three people standing in the last election. I think only the Senate should be involved in the constitutional amendments process.
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Post by Culture of Life on May 27, 2020 23:48:24 GMT -5
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Post by Eire on May 28, 2020 6:28:42 GMT -5
This seems to be all in order. Shall we move this to a vote?
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Post by Phydios on May 28, 2020 8:48:49 GMT -5
I think this looks very good.
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Post by Eire on May 28, 2020 17:19:08 GMT -5
Then without further delay, as Speaker I move this Act to be voted on.
I vote Aye.
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Post by United Massachusetts on May 29, 2020 16:42:50 GMT -5
Aye!
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Post by Phydios on May 29, 2020 17:40:19 GMT -5
Aye.
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Post by Eire on May 29, 2020 18:24:53 GMT -5
The Act is passed by an absolute majority. It shall now be voted on by the citizens of Right to Life in the next round of Presidential Elections!
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